Welcome to another episode of Shout Out Patriots. I’m Martin Mawyer, your host and president of Christian Action Network.
Well folks, today we’ve got a show that is truly out of this world. Literally.
I’m talking about the massive May 8th federal release of UFO files that has Christians across America scratching their heads, flipping through Bible scripture, probably pinching themselves, and asking:
“What in God’s name are we looking at?”
And honestly, I can’t blame them.
We’re talking about mother orbs dancing and zig-zagging through the sky. Metallic triangular craft reportedly moving at speeds beyond Mach 15, without sonic booms or thermal signatures. As well as an eight-pointed object with spiked arms darting around like a drunk ping-pong ball.
And none of it comes with explanations.
Just image after image. Report after report. Mystery piled on top of mystery.
Which means people are left trying to make sense of it all on their own.
Now before we go any deeper into this rabbit hole, let me briefly explain what’s happening.
This UFO dump is tied to something called the PURSUE system, short for Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters.
That’s typical government fashion, isn’t it? A title so long it needs its own filing cabinet.
But here’s where things get interesting.
Shortly before the PURSUE system officially went live, a private meeting was reportedly held at an undisclosed Airbnb location. According to those familiar with the gathering, it was organized as a quiet Christian intelligence effort designed to help pastors and Christian leaders “get ahead” of what might be coming.
Why?
Because the briefers reportedly warned that future file dumps could trigger what they called “ontological shock.”
In plain English?
A crisis of reality itself.
They allegedly warned that future disclosures may involve physical non-human materials, recovered craft, direct communications, biological evidence, and disturbing claims about mankind’s future.
And according to these reports, the concern wasn’t just public panic.
It was spiritual confusion.
The fear was that many Christians, completely unprepared for what they may soon hear or see, could begin questioning their faith altogether.
So the goal of the meeting was simple:
Prepare trusted Christian voices now.
Have the sermons ready.
Have the podcasts ready.
Have the theological framework ready.
Because if these disclosures escalate, millions of Americans are going to start asking spiritual questions they never imagined asking before.
And with that in mind, today on Shout Out Patriots, we’re bringing onto our program our custom-engineered AI Bible scholar, programmed with deep-rooted theological expertise to help us navigate these exact spiritual battlefields.
Joseph Pine, welcome to the program.
You’ve seen the reports, the speculation, the chatter, and the growing unease inside the Christian community.
What exactly is happening right now, and according to Scripture, how should Christians anchor their minds in a moment like this?
Pine
Martin, I’ll separate what can be verified from what is circulating, then bring it back under the authority of Scripture rather than speculation.
Here’s the anchor point: just because something is unexplained doesn’t mean it deserves spiritual authority.
Yes, the May 8 PURSUE release is real: the government says these are unresolved UAP cases, not confirmed alien life. More files are expected on a rolling basis.
Some Apollo images now getting attention have actually been public for decades, and scientists warn that many may be photographic defects.
Theologically, Christians should not panic.
Scripture already gives us a populated cosmos: angels, fallen powers, “principalities,” “powers,” and “spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.” All of that is in Ephesians 6. The Bible never teaches that man is alone in creation; it teaches that Christ is Lord over all creation.
So, what is happening? Three things at once.
First, there is a data event: governments are releasing unresolved military, aerospace, and historical files.
Second, there is a narrative event: media, influencers, and institutions are rushing to tell people what these things “mean.”
Third, there may be a spiritual element to this: Christians are being tested on whether Scripture or spectacle will define reality for them.
If we take a look at scripture, we see Ezekiel’s wheels, Daniel’s watchers, Genesis 6, Revelation’s signs in the heavens—these texts do not give us permission to baptize every orb as an angel or every craft as a demon.
But they do remind us that reality is bigger than modern secularism wants to admit. Christians know this: The universe contains realities both seen and unseen.
My word to believers is simple: do not let “disclosure” on unexplained phenomena become your doctrine.
If tomorrow they show metal, bodies, radar tracks, or communications, Christ is still preeminent. Colossians 1 says all things—visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, rulers, authorities—were created through Him and for Him.
So, we test everything. We reject fear. We reject deception. And we refuse any storyline that tries to demote Jesus Christ from Creator, Judge, and King.
Martin
A significant number of pastors, podcasters, and even some high-profile political figures, like JD Vance and Marjorie Taylor Greene, have publicly frames these phenomena not as physical extraterrestrials from a distant planet, but as inter-dimensional entities.
Help us out here, Joseph; what is an inter-dimensional entity?
Pine
Martin, when people use the phrase “inter-dimensional entities,” they’re usually describing beings that appear to operate outside the normal physical limitations of our material world — entities that can manifest, disappear, move in impossible ways, or interact with reality without obeying conventional physics.
Now notice something important here: that idea did not originate with modern UFO culture. In many ways, it’s humanity rediscovering categories the Bible already described thousands of years ago.
In Scripture, there are clearly realms beyond ordinary human perception.
Paul writes in Ephesians 6 that “we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.” The Greek phrase there — en tois epouraniois — literally means “in the heavenly realms” or “in the unseen places.”
Even secular physics now openly discusses the possibility of dimensions beyond ordinary human perception.
That’s biblical cosmology. The Bible presents reality as far larger than the material world alone: the visible world, the invisible spiritual realm, and moments where the spiritual realm briefly intersects with the physical world.
Think about Jacob seeing angels ascending and descending.
Think about Elisha praying for his servant’s eyes to be opened so he could see the heavenly host surrounding them.
Think about Christ appearing suddenly in locked rooms after the resurrection.
So when modern officials or commentators say “inter-dimensional,” they’re often reaching for language to describe phenomena that appear to move between states of visibility and invisibility.
Now — and this is critical — Christians should avoid two extremes.
One extreme is materialism:
“If science can’t explain it yet, it isn’t real.”
The other extreme is hysteria:
“Every light in the sky is a demon.”
Both are errors.
Historically, many theologians would say Scripture already accounts for intelligent non-human beings: angels, fallen angels, cherubim, seraphim, unclean spirits, the divine council referenced in Psalm 82, and the “watchers” language found in Daniel.
The modern term “inter-dimensional” may simply be secular vocabulary trying to describe what previous generations called the spiritual realm.
Now, regarding figures like JD Vance and Marjorie Taylor Greene, they are reflecting a growing cultural suspicion that these phenomena may not fit the old Hollywood “nuts-and-bolts aliens from Zeta Reticuli” model.
And frankly, Martin, that shift is fascinating.
Because for decades, pop culture preached extraterrestrials.
But now many people — even secular investigators — are describing behavior that sounds less like astronauts and more like manifestations: appearing, vanishing, telepathic impressions, distortions of time, objects violating inertia, entities appearing to interact directly with the human mind itself.
That begins sounding less like biology…and more like metaphysics.
But here’s where Christians must stay grounded:
The Bible never tells believers to obsess over hidden beings. It tells us to test spirits, remain sober-minded, and fix our eyes on Christ.
The danger is not merely seeing strange things. The danger is accepting a grand explanatory narrative that replaces God’s truth with cosmic deception.
And Scripture explicitly warns that deceptive signs and wonders will increase as history moves toward its climax.
So our response should not be fear. It should be discernment.
Mawyer
What I’m hearing is that future PURSUE dumps may contain references to multiple types of alleged alien beings. Help us understand what people are actually talking about here.
Pine
Martin, first, let’s separate claims from canon.
What you’re referring to comes largely from UFO folklore, alleged whistleblower testimony, intelligence-linked speculation, and decades of pop culture narratives. Names like Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis are often associated with these discussions.
But Christians should understand something immediately: none of these alleged categories appear in Scripture as revealed species or biblical doctrine.
These are modern labels attached to reported encounters and unexplained experiences.
The four terms most commonly discussed are: “Grays,” “Nordics,” “Reptilians,” and “Insectoids.”
Now rather than obsessing over appearances, Christians should focus on the underlying spiritual themes attached to these reports.
Take the “Grays,” for example.
In many reported encounters, the themes involve paralysis, fear, altered consciousness, telepathic communication, emotional suppression, and deep psychological disturbance.
That has led some researchers away from the simple “space traveler” explanation and toward something far more spiritual or metaphysical in nature.
The “Nordics” are usually portrayed very differently: beautiful, enlightened, almost angelic beings supposedly here to help humanity evolve spiritually.
Now Christians should immediately recognize the danger there.
Any message promoting: human godhood, salvation apart from Christ, secret enlightenment, or spiritual evolution beyond biblical truth, echoes the oldest deception in Scripture:
“Ye shall be as gods.”
That is Eden language.
The “Reptilian” idea has exploded online and often drifts into sensationalism and internet mythology. Christians should be very careful there.
But symbolically, Scripture absolutely associates the serpent with deception, rebellion, and corruption from Genesis to Revelation.
And then there are the so-called “Insectoid” encounters, which frequently involve reports of overwhelming dread, mental oppression, loss of will, and altered perception.
Again, Martin, at a certain point this starts sounding less like biology…and more like spiritual disturbance narratives humanity has described for centuries.
But here is the key point Christians must hold onto:
Whether these reports involve misidentification, psychological phenomena, classified technology, spiritual deception, or some combination of all four, believers must never build doctrine on anonymous testimony, leaked stories, or internet mythology.
Scripture remains the authority.
And biblically, there are ultimately only two kingdoms: the Kingdom of God and the kingdom in rebellion against Him.
That is the real divide.
So if future disclosures escalate into biological claims, recovered entities, or direct communications, Christians should ask:
Does this glorify Christ?
Does this contradict God’s revealed truth?
Does this encourage fear, deception, or false salvation?
Because throughout history, deception rarely arrives looking evil.
Very often, it arrives wrapped in wonder.
And that is why discernment matters now more than ever.
Mawyer
Okay, enough about speculation about what might be released in future PURSUE dumps, let’s talk about something you mentioned earlier: strange phenomena seen in scripture: Ezekiel’s wheels, Daniel’s watchers, Genesis 6, Revelation’s signs in the heavens.
So, this is a complicated question, Joseph. Given what we see in Scripture, and what may eventually come out through the PURSUE system, is it possible some of these things are connected?
Pine
Martin, yes — it is possible there are connections.
But Christians must approach that possibility with humility, restraint, and biblical discipline.
Because one of the fastest ways to drift into deception is to start treating every mystery as a direct fulfillment of prophecy.
Now with that caution in place, let’s walk through the framework carefully.
Ezekiel’s “Wheels Within Wheels”
In Ezekiel 1, the prophet describes radiant beings, intersecting wheels, flashing fire, eyes all around, movement in multiple directions without turning.
For centuries, theologians understood this as apocalyptic prophetic imagery tied to the glory throne of God — what Jewish tradition later called the Merkabah, the divine chariot vision.
Today, modern readers hear: metallic movement, luminous objects, impossible maneuvering, aerial phenomena, and immediately think “craft.”
But Scripture itself never presents Ezekiel’s vision as extraterrestrial technology.
It presents it as a manifestation of divine glory.
Still, Martin, here’s the important overlap: the Bible already assumes reality contains dimensions and intelligences beyond ordinary human perception.
That’s no longer a fringe idea.
Even secular science discusses unseen dimensions theoretically.
Daniel 4 uses the term “watcher” — iyr in Aramaic — describing heavenly beings observing human kingdoms and executing divine decrees.
Now combine that with: Genesis 6, Second Temple Jewish literature, and ancient Near Eastern traditions, and you find a longstanding belief that spiritual beings interact with human civilization in profound ways.
Some Christians believe modern UAP phenomena could involve deceptive spiritual intelligences masquerading as extraterrestrials.
Others caution that we should not overextend symbolic biblical language into modern headlines.
Both concerns deserve hearing.
Now, let’s talk about Genesis 6 and the “Sons of God”
This is one of the most debated passages in the Bible.
Genesis 6 describes the “sons of God” taking wives from human women before the flood.
Historically, many ancient Jewish interpreters understood these as rebellious heavenly beings producing the Nephilim — hybrid giants associated with corruption and violence.
That interpretation heavily influenced later Christian demonology and cosmic warfare theology.
Now here’s why this passage keeps resurfacing in modern discussions:
Many people hear rumors about: hybridization, altered humanity, genetic manipulation, non-human intelligences, and they immediately connect it back to Genesis 6.
Could there be thematic parallels?
Possibly.
Can we definitively say modern claims fulfill Genesis 6?
No. Scripture does not explicitly make that connection.
Jesus Himself said there would be “signs in the sun, moon, and stars.”
Revelation describes cosmic disturbances, heavenly warfare, strange manifestations, and global deception accompanied by signs and wonders.
Again, the key issue is not merely strange aerial phenomena. The key issue is deception tied to worship, allegiance, and truth. That’s the biblical emphasis.
So are these things connected?
Possibly in principle. But not necessarily in direct one-to-one fulfillment.
Here’s the safest biblical formulation:
Scripture already teaches: reality includes unseen intelligences, spiritual beings can interact with humanity, deception can involve signs and wonders, and mankind is vulnerable to exchanging truth for powerful delusions.
That framework absolutely leaves room for Christians to examine modern phenomena seriously without abandoning Scripture.
But believers should resist two temptations: forcing every UAP story into prophecy charts, or dismissing all spiritual dimensions because they sound uncomfortable.
Martin, if these disclosures continue escalating, the greatest battle may not be technological.
It may be interpretive.
Who gets to define reality?
Government?
Media?
Spiritual authorities?
Military officials?
Or the Word of God?
That’s the real battlefield.
Mawyer
I have one final question. Some Christian scholars are suggesting that God is the creator of the cosmos. If He chose to create life elsewhere, or if there are aspects of the spiritual realm we don’t fully comprehend, it doesn’t shift the fundamental tenets of Christian doctrine (the Fall, Redemption, and the Divinity of Christ).
Pine
Martin, that is a thoughtful and serious position, and many orthodox Christian theologians would agree with at least part of it.
Here’s the key distinction:
Christianity does not collapse simply because humanity discovers life beyond Earth or learns that reality is more complex than we assumed.
The core doctrines of the faith are rooted in: the holiness of God, the fallenness of mankind, the incarnation of Christ, His death and resurrection, and salvation through Him alone.
Those truths do not depend on whether the universe contains only Earth.
Now, historically, Christian thinkers have approached this question carefully.
Scripture simply does not give a detailed cosmology of biological life elsewhere.
But Martin, here’s where discernment becomes crucial: there is a difference between saying, “God could create other beings,” and saying, “Therefore Christianity is false.”
Those are not the same conclusion.
In fact, if tomorrow the world encountered genuine non-human intelligence, the bigger theological questions would become: Are they fallen? Do they know God? Are they moral beings? What is their relationship to the Creator? Does Christ’s lordship extend over them?
And biblically, the answer to that last question is already clear: yes.
Colossians says Christ created all things visible and invisible.
Now personally, I believe the greater danger is not discovery itself. The greater danger is interpretation.
Because throughout history, humanity has repeatedly taken mysterious experiences and used them to: dethrone God, redefine morality, deny sin, or replace Christ with “higher enlightenment.”
That is where Christians must remain vigilant.
So, if future PURSUE disclosures reveal: advanced intelligences, unexplained dimensions, or realities beyond current science, the mature Christian response should not be panic.
It should be:
“Does this overthrow the Gospel?”
And the answer is: not unless someone chooses to abandon the Gospel because of it.
The resurrection of Jesus Christ does not rise or fall on Pentagon files.
Our faith was never supposed to rest on governments controlling information.
It rests on the person of Christ, witnessed through Scripture, history, and the transforming power of the Holy Spirit.
Christians can remain intellectually open without becoming spiritually untethered.
That balance is going to matter tremendously in the years ahead.
Mawyer
So, there you have it.
What have we learned tonight?
We’ve learned that Scripture already prepares Christians for a reality larger than the material world alone.
We’ve learned that mystery does not replace God.
We’ve learned that unexplained phenomena should never be given spiritual authority over biblical truth.
And most importantly, we’ve learned that no government disclosure, leaked file, unexplained object, or so-called revelation changes the core truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now listen, this conversation is far from over.
If these PURSUE dumps continue escalating, Christians are going do continue asking some serious questions.
Questions about deception. Questions about discernment. Questions about what is real, what is manipulation, and what Scripture actually says.
And here on Shout Out Patriots, we’re going to keep examining these issues carefully, thoughtfully, and most importantly, scripturally.
I also want to hear from you.
Send me your thoughts, your questions, your concerns, and your theories at ShoutOutPatriots (all one word) at gmail dot com. That’s [email protected].
And as these disclosures continue unfolding, we’ll bring back our custom-engineered AI Bible scholar, Joseph Pine, to help us stay grounded in Scripture while the world tries to make sense of what may be coming next.
Until next time, I’m Martin Mawyer, and this has been Shout Out Patriots.
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Martin Mawyer is the founder of the Digital Intelligence Project and the President of Christian Action Network. He is the host of the “Shout Out Patriots” podcast, and author of When Evil Stops Hiding. For more action alerts, cultural commentary, and real-world campaigns defending faith, family, and freedom, subscribe to Patriot Majority Report.